However, if they are trying to make a tulpa - referring to the tulpas that are not simply imaginary friends or characters the 'host' manouvers around - simply using them for leisure is quite a flippant and blatantly inconsiderate thing to do.
9:22 PM
If they want the equivalent of an imaginary friend, that is fine - they can do that.
9:22 PM
Terming it the same as making a tulpa that is equivalent to a host and trying to make multiple 'because it's fun', or dropping them if it isn't constantly fun, is, quite frankly, stupid.(edited)
9:23 PM
They are certainly free to do so, and I am similarly free to call them out as not really thinking about what they are doing, or thinking from an extremely egocentric perspective.(edited)
Yes, I often consider why we do not encourage lower levels of thoughtform creation similar to imaginary friends as an alternative to tulpa creation. It seems many problems with tulpa lifestyles result from a host wanting a fish in a tank rather than a person.
That said, it does tend to be rather clear when somebody claims to have a tulpa for many years, or instantaneously, but it seems to never speak for some reason. Then, when it does, the speech patterns are identical to the host, or so grossly caricatured that, were it a picture of a person, proportions would be dramatically out of scale.
I have heard one or two people mention that their friends claim they have a malicious tulpa, unless it happens to be a person that treats their tulpa extremely poorly, or a person with an underlying mental issue which can clearly point to it.
So - third-hand information, abuse, or some kind of physical mental disorder.
9:32 PM
Nothing particularly reliable as a way of demonstrating that tulpas can go particularly wrong with decent treatment or without significant mental issues (which also tend to lead to poor treatment, mind).
We had some issues with the system not getting along, though it is not something you would stumble upon. We were not aware what multiplicity or tulpas were when such things were going on, which did lead to the difficulties in dealing with each other most commonly reported with natural tulpas.
9:34 PM
It seems most of the cases where this maliciousness is reported is not so cartoonishly good and evil, but rather two parties trying to comprehend their relationship.
I don't think that "not getting along" is the type of maliciousness people are referring to in this case, @Kaliya. I could be wrong, and won't pretend that I know what Ruethus is referring to, but typically when people refer to 'malicious' tulpas they are referring to people who claim their tulpas are actively trying to force possession and cause harm to the body.
9:34 PM
Or otherwise constantly try to frighten or threaten them.
9:35 PM
In other words, create a disruptive and distressing atmosphere - the point where having the tulpa could arguably be called a mental disorder.
Well... the "worst" cases of what I'm thinking of is creating mentally unstable tulpas, or servitors whose only ability is to draw energy from the body and nothing more
So you've either got a constant noise machine in your head or a permanent energy drain, and good luck trying to get rid of them with that going on in your head
Relationship troubles are certainly one thing that can happen, but persistent toxicity does tend to be a result of poor treatment of the tulpa, to my recollection.
Yes, usually when I have interacted with problem tulpas, they are not malicious. They have enough sentience and ability of their own to feel slighted by their host in some way, and have the authority to act on it. Tulpas who do not have the power to act out against their hosts are never considered malicious, and the host is not considered the malicious party for causing the tulpa's feelings.
9:39 PM
I should not say never, though I have observed a pattern of host neglect more often left alone than I have of tulpa acting out being termed problematic, harmful, or even malicious.
(ex. "why don't you introduce me to your friends?", "why don't you let me have my own IRL friends too?", "why do you hide me when around other people that don't know about tulpas?")
That said, a lot of tulpas would prefer not to ever have to do anything boring or difficult, so I can see the appeal of behaving like a child having to be cared for perpetually.
